Comments on: See Ya Manny, So Long Dynasty http://ballgamespoints.com/2008/08/05/see-ya-manny-so-long-dynasty/ Tue, 07 Feb 2012 11:35:26 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7 hourly 1 By: Reeksgeft http://ballgamespoints.com/2008/08/05/see-ya-manny-so-long-dynasty/comment-page-1/#comment-3982 Reeksgeft Mon, 13 Apr 2009 01:35:09 +0000 http://ballgamespoints.com/2008/08/05/see-ya-manny-so-long-dynasty/#comment-3982 hmm. interesting.. hmm. interesting..

]]> By: Ballgame’s Points » Blog Archive » MLB Playoff Preview '08 http://ballgamespoints.com/2008/08/05/see-ya-manny-so-long-dynasty/comment-page-1/#comment-1475 Ballgame’s Points » Blog Archive » MLB Playoff Preview '08 Mon, 29 Sep 2008 23:28:33 +0000 http://ballgamespoints.com/2008/08/05/see-ya-manny-so-long-dynasty/#comment-1475 [...] baseball, Beckett’s is of grave concern to the Red Sox. Oh and have I mentioned the team paid $7 million to dispose of its best hitter? Oh that’s right, I [...] [...] baseball, Beckett’s is of grave concern to the Red Sox. Oh and have I mentioned the team paid $7 million to dispose of its best hitter? Oh that’s right, I [...]

]]> By: el rif http://ballgamespoints.com/2008/08/05/see-ya-manny-so-long-dynasty/comment-page-1/#comment-1083 el rif Wed, 06 Aug 2008 04:09:52 +0000 http://ballgamespoints.com/2008/08/05/see-ya-manny-so-long-dynasty/#comment-1083 while it's true that theo and the crew had been fervently trying to dump manny and his kooky antics for the last few years now, manny had been just as active in his attempts to get out of boston. manny didn't want to be in boston anymore, and thats also unfortunate. while it’s true that theo and the crew had been fervently trying to dump manny and his kooky antics for the last few years now, manny had been just as active in his attempts to get out of boston. manny didn’t want to be in boston anymore, and thats also unfortunate.

]]> By: Matt http://ballgamespoints.com/2008/08/05/see-ya-manny-so-long-dynasty/comment-page-1/#comment-1082 Matt Wed, 06 Aug 2008 03:42:58 +0000 http://ballgamespoints.com/2008/08/05/see-ya-manny-so-long-dynasty/#comment-1082 <p>Good counterpoints per usual C. Look I know Manny was even more of a dbag than he's been in the past this year. And obviously I'm not in the clubhouse, but I do know that the guys who don't like Manny have never liked Manny. And vice versa. This clubhouse, while not the "25 guys, 25 cabs" deal, was always full of varying degrees of rifts. But they were all united in cause, and the results have spoken for themselves. That said, I told Eddy that the one aspect of this thing I couldn't refute was choice players going to Tito and Theo and saying Manny had to go. That's truly unfortunate, but it doesn't change the fact that they could have swallowed their differences (again), thrown Manny under the bus amongst themselves and to the writers, and gone out and won another world series. </p> <p>If they really became that fed up with him that it blinded them towards their ultimate goal, that just sucks. It should have never gotten to that. But if one more person lines up Jason Bay's stats with Manny's this year and uses that as justification for him replacing Manny's bat in our lineup I'm going to start pulling my fingernails out. Manny only hit 20 bombs with 88 last year but there was no tougher out in the playoffs (again, ask an Angels fan.) Perception is reality dude, and the perception around the league is that come October, Manny and Ortiz are "bad men" (remember that?). Even if anyone does think that Bay is going to be -- like Manny -- at his best in the playoffs, you think opposing managers are going to risk getting beat by Papi? Lowell, Youk, Bay -- it's of no consequence who's behind Manny in the playoffs. Ortiz will be livin life like Pujols and Bonds in October. Which means we'll go into the postseason with zero percent of Manny and an Ortiz that managers can consistently avoid in order to take their chances with [not Manny].</p> Good counterpoints per usual C. Look I know Manny was even more of a dbag than he’s been in the past this year. And obviously I’m not in the clubhouse, but I do know that the guys who don’t like Manny have never liked Manny. And vice versa. This clubhouse, while not the “25 guys, 25 cabs” deal, was always full of varying degrees of rifts. But they were all united in cause, and the results have spoken for themselves. That said, I told Eddy that the one aspect of this thing I couldn’t refute was choice players going to Tito and Theo and saying Manny had to go. That’s truly unfortunate, but it doesn’t change the fact that they could have swallowed their differences (again), thrown Manny under the bus amongst themselves and to the writers, and gone out and won another world series.

If they really became that fed up with him that it blinded them towards their ultimate goal, that just sucks. It should have never gotten to that. But if one more person lines up Jason Bay’s stats with Manny’s this year and uses that as justification for him replacing Manny’s bat in our lineup I’m going to start pulling my fingernails out. Manny only hit 20 bombs with 88 last year but there was no tougher out in the playoffs (again, ask an Angels fan.) Perception is reality dude, and the perception around the league is that come October, Manny and Ortiz are “bad men” (remember that?). Even if anyone does think that Bay is going to be — like Manny — at his best in the playoffs, you think opposing managers are going to risk getting beat by Papi? Lowell, Youk, Bay — it’s of no consequence who’s behind Manny in the playoffs. Ortiz will be livin life like Pujols and Bonds in October. Which means we’ll go into the postseason with zero percent of Manny and an Ortiz that managers can consistently avoid in order to take their chances with [not Manny].

]]> By: Christian http://ballgamespoints.com/2008/08/05/see-ya-manny-so-long-dynasty/comment-page-1/#comment-1081 Christian Wed, 06 Aug 2008 02:45:21 +0000 http://ballgamespoints.com/2008/08/05/see-ya-manny-so-long-dynasty/#comment-1081 "What truly perplexes me is the fact that lots of fans and writers are on board with the move. Proponents of the trade would point to the fact that Manny’s bullheadedness was tearing the team apart from the inside, that his antics have been far worse this year than in the past. Not true." Come on man, you're not in the clubhouse. This year was different, by the way, when Mnookin wrote his book Manny hadn't punched Youks in the dugout or shoved an old man to the ground because he didn't give him 20 tickets to a sold out game. Another thing you're neglecting to mention is that Manny's production has been slowly declining and Jason Bay is having what could arguably be considered an equal if not better year, albeit at the bottom of the NL. I'm not saying I don't miss Manny, I miss him terribly, but Schilling on Dennis and Callahan said that the entire team was tired of Manny and even Big Papi was resigned to the fact that this team just couldn't go on with him. That stuff didn't just come out of nowhere, and neither did him assaulting two fellow Red Sox employees this season. In my opinion, Manny knew this was his last season to get an extension, becoming the "200 million dollar man" was a big deal back in 2000 but now that the options are looming Manny is getting cold feet. Manny doesn't want the Sox two exercise options on him, and he hasn't wanted that for several years now. He wants to get extended so that his future is secure and he doesn't have to worry about the front office deciding he's not worth the extra year or two at the price he signed for. The Sox did this with Pedro, but everyone knew they weren't going to do so with Manny. I'm gonna miss Manny a lot, but this had to happen, and I'm pretty siked about getting Jason Bay in his prime, that's a pretty good return for Manny's declining years. I'm just glad we didn't let him go for a prospect, but I'm confident that if that was the entire return (like Matt Kemp, say, from LA) than Theo and co. would not have pulled the trigger. Anyways, Adios Senor Manuel Aristides Ramirez. I'll miss watching you hit, point, high-five fans while making running catches, and pee inside left field walls. Enjoy that LA chronic. Manny reads this right? “What truly perplexes me is the fact that lots of fans and writers are on board with the move. Proponents of the trade would point to the fact that Manny’s bullheadedness was tearing the team apart from the inside, that his antics have been far worse this year than in the past.

Not true.”

Come on man, you’re not in the clubhouse. This year was different, by the way, when Mnookin wrote his book Manny hadn’t punched Youks in the dugout or shoved an old man to the ground because he didn’t give him 20 tickets to a sold out game. Another thing you’re neglecting to mention is that Manny’s production has been slowly declining and Jason Bay is having what could arguably be considered an equal if not better year, albeit at the bottom of the NL.

I’m not saying I don’t miss Manny, I miss him terribly, but Schilling on Dennis and Callahan said that the entire team was tired of Manny and even Big Papi was resigned to the fact that this team just couldn’t go on with him. That stuff didn’t just come out of nowhere, and neither did him assaulting two fellow Red Sox employees this season. In my opinion, Manny knew this was his last season to get an extension, becoming the “200 million dollar man” was a big deal back in 2000 but now that the options are looming Manny is getting cold feet. Manny doesn’t want the Sox two exercise options on him, and he hasn’t wanted that for several years now. He wants to get extended so that his future is secure and he doesn’t have to worry about the front office deciding he’s not worth the extra year or two at the price he signed for. The Sox did this with Pedro, but everyone knew they weren’t going to do so with Manny.

I’m gonna miss Manny a lot, but this had to happen, and I’m pretty siked about getting Jason Bay in his prime, that’s a pretty good return for Manny’s declining years. I’m just glad we didn’t let him go for a prospect, but I’m confident that if that was the entire return (like Matt Kemp, say, from LA) than Theo and co. would not have pulled the trigger.

Anyways, Adios Senor Manuel Aristides Ramirez. I’ll miss watching you hit, point, high-five fans while making running catches, and pee inside left field walls. Enjoy that LA chronic.

Manny reads this right?

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